Della Street

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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

  by mikeflood in

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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  @MeanMrMustard:

  mentally would have to consist of something more than just "I don't agree with him"... it would be serious mental impairment that made it impossible for him to function. What that looks like is different for every individual. It could be memory issues, incapacitating depression or anxiety, delusions or hallucinations....many people function well with any of these issues - so the key is incapacitating - something so severe he was unable to make rational decisions or carry out his duties.

  physically it would be something like a coma. He could serve as President even if he was a quadriplegic or on bed rest if he was otherwise well.

  conflicts of interest I was thinking if the President started working against the interests of the US in favor of a foreign government, or was otherwise actively attempting to dismantle or thwart the government.

  The 25th Amendment was adopted after Nixon. Gerald Ford had to replace Spiro Agnew as VP, and then Nixon as President because they were both crooks. The wording is "President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office," - that is open to interpretation kind of like "high crimes and misdemeanors" So, I'm not sure the intention is that it is only used when the President is incapacitated mentally or physically.
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

  by mikeflood in

  1. social
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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  @MeanMrMustard,

  No. I don't think a lack of response qualifies as justification to invoke the 25th Amendment. I think the 25th Amendment requires the individual in office to be considered unfit due to being compromised mentally/physically, conflicts of interest, or illegal/unconstitutional actions.

  Had Khashoggi been a citizen, I would have expected some response in terms of sanctions or diplomatic consequences of some kind. Military action should always be a last resort, in my opinion.
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

  by mikeflood in

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  2. current

  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  @MeanMrMustard Thanks for the correction. I was misinformed. No, I didn't expect a war, but it did strike me as very odd that a President was silent on the murder of a citizen. I stand corrected. :-)
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

  by mikeflood in

  1. social
  2. current

  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  I could rebut all of your allegations against Trump, but I think that you are missing the whole purpose of this thread.
  Now, if he is as bad as you said; please tell me about the process to remove him from office and whether or not it has been followed by the FBI and the DOJ?

  Hecce,

  The process to remove a President from office is generally through impeachment for "high crimes and misdemeanors." The House and Senate investigates through committees and a special counsel is appointed. Charges brought by the House is equivalent of an indictment through a grand jury. A simple majority in the House approves the impeachment. Once the House has impeached a President, they remain in office while awaiting trial in the Senate. Senate must have a 2/3 super majority to convict and remove the President from office.

  Mueller, as you know is the special counsel. The investigation is still active. So, it is still to be seen if there is any standing to impeach the President or not. Once all the evidence has been examined, then it will be known. It may well be, after all is said and done, that the President himself is cleared of any accusations. I am waiting like everyone else for the results of the investigation to be made public.

  The question I am left with at the moment is - most of the principal players in both the campaign and at the White House have been shown to have some relationship (usually a business tie) to Russia on some level. If everything was on the up and up, what are they all lying about? Why would they not be forthcoming ( i.e. register as an agent for a foreign government) or why would they deny or lie about meetings, etc?

  Even if it turns out there is nothing there, the amount of lying makes everyone look suspicious.
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

  by mikeflood in

  1. social
  2. current

  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  My other question for those who support Trump: What about the American Citizen who was killed by the Prince of Saudi Arabia? I understand he was a journalist, but still - he was an American. I cannot remember a time when such a public event was ignored by the White House.
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

  by mikeflood in

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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  For those who support Trump: does the Russian interference in the election, Trump benefiting financially from being President, his relationship with dictators, and disregard for the rule of law or Constitution bother you at all?

  I'm asking an honest question. I don't understand how conservatives accept his actions when they seem to violate the Office.
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  Great Announcement

  by Tiana in

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  am a newcomer.

  had a starnge metting in local news last night.. check it out.

  actual info starts at 50;12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plxdjs13l0k.

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  I watched some of it starting at 50:12 : Here is the summary.

  Local Needs "Are You Ready For The Great Tribulation?"

  Mostly telling people to obey the elders even if it doesn't make sense, hide your literature, study, go to meetings, go out in service, ....

  Lots of fear mongering.

  There is nothing new under the sun.
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  Diversity is White Genocide

  by corrie54 in

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  asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

  everybody says there is this race problem.

  everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

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  Calling what is happening "genocide" is overstating the issue, and is not accurate. There is more intermarriage, more brown and black people are participating more freely in society in general and politics specifically.

  Light skinned people and whites have been killing off and oppressing brown and black people all over the world since the beginning of time, so the fact that those of us who are White NOW complain that it might be happening to us (even though it is not) seems a little ridiculous.

  At the same time, when you look at social dominance theory and social dominance orientation, it helps to explain the white male panic that is seems to be currently going around.
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  Kingdom halls.. the demise of..

  by zeb in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  would some kind soul create a site listing as best they know the names of and the countries where kh have been closed and sold.. ie 31-6-2017, mount tall cong, north kameria.. it seems like the kh are being sold off in a lemming like rush to the cliffs..

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  I just was told today by a pioneer that they are consolidating and dissolving congregations because KH are only 48% full on average in this country. Of course the justification was "they need the money to pay for growth in other countries and all the natural disasters...." I silently added, "uh, yeah. and all the lawsuits where they are losing millions of dollars...." anyhooo....

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  What holidays are they talking about?

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the elders manual under apostasy,.

  "1) celebrating false religious holidays: (ex.

  32:4-6; jer.

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  I have always wondered why JWWs were against Mother's Day, Father's Day, Grandparent's Day...those were all made up holidays by Hallmark.

  Even Thanksgiving is sort of a grey area. I know a lot of JWs who have a turkey dinner on Thanksgiving while at the same time not calling it that or drawing attention to the fact that they do.

  I can see ruling out 4th of July and Thanksgiving as political holidays...